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26 days ago.
by absolem
BobDahler
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What happened to the "Union Influence in Politics" topic?

Even though I initiated it as the debut topic in the Times forums, I'm happy to realize it has been deleted. It died an ugly death long ago, and should have been executed long before it was. I'm curious though... Why? I am unaware of the travesty that occurred that was sufficiently heinous to warrant it's deletion... As compared to the tripe on ALL the other threads that is evident on a daily basis.

 
 

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moderation

Governor Walker under investigation in Wisconsin. Who would have thunk a preachers' son would have drawn such legal scrunity?

Posted 399 days ago.

BobDahler

FYI, The expiration date of all labor contracts are agreed upon by MUTUAL CONSENSUS.

Negotiations always occur BEFORE the expiration of any current contract.

Any coincidence you infer to bolster your point is merely... COINCIDENCE.

Posted 400 days ago.

BobDahler

R1KRA8: Irrespective of what Jason Menard? thinks, our kids ARE barganing chips, regardless of who places them there.

We consider alternatives in their best interest, everyday, in every decision we make.

Posted 400 days ago.

BobDahler

Under such circumstance, one COULD achieve the lowest pay, the least benefits, and the poorest working conditions allowed by law for our teachers (AKA: lower taxes).

When it comes to education however, I don't think this should be the primary objective.

Posted 400 days ago.

BobDahler

lts: My point was, that it is counterproductive and uncommon for teachers' union tactics to present the children as hostages. That perception is usually promoted by those who oppose teachers union activity.

Yes, if unionized teachers didn't negotiate, didn't protest, didn't have a strike alternative, and didn't object to scab replacements, everything would be grand for some. But that wouldn't be a union, would it?

Posted 401 days ago.

luvthesouth

start removing the word republican and i might agree that you are "right".

Posted 401 days ago.

luvthesouth

you wrote "If you have that and not your republican hardheadedness there should not be a problem but resolution ! to which i responded. do you see the word republican? i do.

Posted 401 days ago.

luvthesouth

R1KRA8...good morning and thanks for correcting the word "objective" for me. a terrible sinus headache has me a little under the weather today...but then again based on my spelling history, it could be just another normal day.

Posted 401 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker...are all school administrators and boards republican as your blanket statement indicates? i find it odd that with every statement you make you have to slam the republicans..even if they are not there. they are your "boogie-man" aren't they?

Posted 401 days ago.

luvthesouth

abhor as much as you.."It is what it is".

Posted 401 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobDahler, good morning and i appreciate your reasoned perspective. one would think that the teacher unions with their history of protests would recognize the effect that they have on the "third rail" as you call them and not keep repeating the same activity that creates the "third rail" scenario. it is also in their capacity to not hinder any replacement educators so the children can continue in their school experience. that however is unlikely since it is a bargaining tool in which to make the public and administrators concede a hasty resolution. i think it is obvious that many do not choose to protest or vacate their classrooms when school is not in session and they are still under a pre-negotiated contract...which i think the administration would be crazy to sign if it had a walk-out clause. the game plan has always been and will always be to inflict as much pain to gain your obejectives. the unions have no qualms in doing just that. to use your phrase that i a

Posted 401 days ago.

BobDahler

lts: It is undeniable that children and the public are affected by union activity in the school systems, however: To characterize such actions as having the goal of holding the kids hostage for leverage in negotiations is a handy way to demonize unions, but ignores one very important fact. The kids are a "third rail" from a union's negotiating perspective, and every possible effort will be made to avoid placing them in a pawn's position.

Unlike industrial unions, the success of teachers' union activities is solely dependent on the public opinion (and funding) of them. The "roll out the hostages" tactic is generally promoted by negotiators on the other side of the table.

Posted 401 days ago.

luvthesouth

Tiredofit, good evening and nice to see you as well. i was disturbed by the actions of those that many on here herald as being so noble in their plight... but then again they never label others for the actions of a few.

Posted 402 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker...can't see what you overlook.

Posted 402 days ago.

luvthesouth

simple honesty which you lack in defending teachers that use the children as pawns in their attempt to elevate their interests.

Posted 402 days ago.

luvthesouth

does using the word leverage make you feel better about hostage taking...then substitute it at will. means the same when involving some union activities. no need to swear....btw how do you justify teachers using children as bargaining tools in the unions attempt to enrich its memebers back-pocket? pretty good i would say since history bears out the truth.

Posted 402 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobB...as usual you have hijacked a great mans wording and twisted its meaning for your own purpose. the labor he was speaking of did not involve your hostage-taking locals but thouse that strive to advance based on their own labor as eveidenced when he said: “That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence built.” No that sounds like a true republican.

Posted 402 days ago.

moderation

I do seem to recall an anonymous poster alluding to an attempt by a union poster to become president/ business manager of a local union,only to be spurned in his/her attempt by his/her own membership.We can only wonder how that person feels about union influence today.

Posted 404 days ago.

moderation

Because they can't do it here.

Posted 404 days ago.

moderation

I can't believe working conditions alone would be what they are today, by simply counting on the good conscience of employers.We don't have to look far to see what American interests are doing in other parts of the globe.

Posted 404 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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