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12 days ago.
by Ohwiseone
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What happened to the "Union Influence in Politics" topic?

Even though I initiated it as the debut topic in the Times forums, I'm happy to realize it has been deleted. It died an ugly death long ago, and should have been executed long before it was. I'm curious though... Why? I am unaware of the travesty that occurred that was sufficiently heinous to warrant it's deletion... As compared to the tripe on ALL the other threads that is evident on a daily basis.

 
 

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luvthesouth

munster, did you not notice that i never said that they did not have a choice. my assertion was that the choice being given to them was wrong in requiring them to choose between joining the union or not having the right or freedom to work where they wished. if people desire to join the union...fine so be it. but those that do not wish too, but want to work there for whatever reason should be able to do so without union interference. that means they should be able to negotiate their salary and benefits on their own. then you will see whether the union can sell itself without forced servitude. what are the unions afraid of????

Posted 659 days ago.

luvthesouth

your party supports the same thing happening to the immigrants that have followed the process but have been by-passed by those that jumped the border. why would you not apply the same logic to your union?

Posted 659 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, i am a fairly intelligent man that may view things slightly different than you and i tend to think i am fair. i understand your loyalty to your union and appreciate what it has done for you. but you should agree and support someone that doesn't agree with you or your union to have the right to provide for their family because it is the right thing to do. the numbers are not the mitigating factor. people are. there are people that want to work and should have to right to work. period.

Posted 659 days ago.

luvthesouth

lets make this real simple munster, should people have the right to freely negotiate and seek employment anywhere in the united states being totally unemcumbered? yes or no?

Posted 659 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, with each post of yours, you are simply adding new levels to the word "insane". do you ever notice how often you repeat yourself?

Posted 659 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, if i tell my employees and potential hires that they must join my facilities union, that btw supports the republican party, to be employed, then they too can make a choice correct? you would not have a problem with that? you would not think that they are being forced into choosing something they they otherwise may not choose? the right to seek and procure gainful employment should be a "free" right as much as breath itself. the employers as well as the unions have created this exclusionary choice in the work force both public and private and to say otherwise is just you being asinine. maybe you should harken back to the days of segregated water coolers. to drink from this one...you must be white. remember you do have choice to drink or not drink. thats ok with you...right massa?

Posted 659 days ago.

moderation

Good'n cap't !

Posted 661 days ago.

scrappile

If Josh supports Right-to-work. how come he rarely shows up to his job.

Posted 663 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, i was addressing your claim of our love of war. your dems seem to enjoy the fruits of it as well. please prove my statement incorrect that you reacted to. maybe you should explain why someone as deranged as the perp was allowed to be free. that is something that really needs to be addressed. should their misplaced freedom diminish our freedoms?

Posted 666 days ago.

luvthesouth

obama sure likes "dem" drones and supplying arms to civilians against their government. do you think he would allow us to do the same? you know supply us with arms against an oppressive government....especially if it turned out to be his.

Posted 666 days ago.

luvthesouth

good afternoon munster my friend. it actually doesn't matter how you were treated. what you are inferring to sounds a bit like vigilante justice and that is nowhere near legal. your desciption of the company screwing you and knowing full well what they are doing sounds a bit like a bitter future ex-wife or lover. even then you could not get away with doing to them what a union does to a company. at least not without a good lawyer or sympathetic judge!

Posted 670 days ago.

luvthesouth

sorry about the spelling errors munster...but you know sometimes the fingers do not do as they should. i hope you and mod have a great evening...gotta run.

Posted 671 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, the predominate action i was referring to was the protesting, blocking of facility access and harrassment of replacement workers. in addition i might add destruction of property and interuption of commerce. all of this would not happen if the unions just followed their legal remedy. i know protesting is leagl with some limitations. but i think you nare smart enough to know what i mean. if not... then i will explain.

Posted 671 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation, with all due respect...we must face the fact that everyone is replaceable. as much as we think we are unique in job performance, there is someone ready to take our place. should you or anyone die or retire, the company in most cacses does not pack up shop and shut down. they simply find someone else. with that said i have no direct experience in your field but understand that there are others that do and are willing to take your place.

Posted 671 days ago.

moderation

Good Sunday morning, lts- I must ask what experience you may have obtained,that allows you more than an opinion, as it applies to the processes of creating metal alloys in furnaces, such as those at eramet ? I know you have sold some 'ram' and some 'clippers', etc. and I do understand the weight of legal contracts, but I also understand that profit is the motivation. I have seen the aftermath of an explosion at that facility.

Posted 671 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation, i understand your point. however, i don't think the safety concern of replacement workers is high on the list. the claim of questionable character is an interesting one. with all of the skilled unemployed in many areas, finding trainable replacement workers is not all that difficult. while i am sure that there are many fine highly-skilled workers in a union, membership within one does not always guarantee you have the most qualified or best character. personally i think it is just an employee that faces the realization that when their services are no longer needed, separation anxiety sets in. just like a man or women that will not let go of a spouse or girlfriend. sometimes the bar has to close and you have got to go.

Posted 672 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, it is good that your received your unemployment. if your contract had expired and you continued or wanted to work under it, does the compamny not have the right to tell you that you are not welcome on its property? the lone exception would be any clause in the previous contract that allowed you to continue working while negotiations were on-going. other than that, they should have the right to tell you to not come on their property and to hit the road. like i posted before, labor unions work under a legal contract. that contract, if broken by either side, should be handled in a legal arena such as a courtroom or mediation and not by the measures your law-abiding members predominatly use.

Posted 672 days ago.

moderation

hey munster- who is the home boy?!

Posted 672 days ago.

moderation

lts said-"munster, the company is now called AFIMAC. i found them through google. after reading a little about them, it would seem to me that if the unions settled their disputes strictly by legal means, there would not be a necessity for a strike protection service. actually, what you are complaining about is the company protecting themselves, their "replacement" workers and business interests from potential "former" employees exacting their own remedy". I too find manning the replacement worker positions with guestionable character, and also I will add, skills. I have worked in that facility numerous times, on many projects, in the past. One inexperienced move can kill many people, and that is an issue all should consider.

Posted 672 days ago.

moderation

lts-Re:you know mod, in as much as it would make companies more profitable. Kinda like the inter- marriages between governments " back(waay)in the day",with a no divorce clause.

Posted 672 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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