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22 days ago.
by asknot
BobDahler
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What happened to the "Union Influence in Politics" topic?

Even though I initiated it as the debut topic in the Times forums, I'm happy to realize it has been deleted. It died an ugly death long ago, and should have been executed long before it was. I'm curious though... Why? I am unaware of the travesty that occurred that was sufficiently heinous to warrant it's deletion... As compared to the tripe on ALL the other threads that is evident on a daily basis.

 
 

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Tiredofit

I suppose in your little mind you have debunked something but the sad fact is you have not. Foolish boy.

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

Now Munster before you go off pouting. I admit I have poked at you a little to get your goat but there is a lot of truth to what I am saying. Why do you think the Union pie is getting smaller and smaller except in GOVT of all places. I suppose that is why the Unions have taken such a Socialist stance, self preservation.

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

Oh I DO get it Munster, I have been there done that. Its you who does not "get it" as you say. MERIT and WORK ETHIC should be rewared not how long you have hung around leaning on a shovel.

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

Witness the Union HIgh Voltage folks screaming SCAB SCAB when non union trucks showed up after SANDY. That shows what they are about.

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

The union model is antiquated and counter productive. It embraces the communist dogma where we are all the same regardless of work ethic or merit. The thought of competing scares the crap out of Unions and that is why GM is in the crapper while Toyota is doing quite well.

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

The buisiness owner OWNS the shop. He can choose to negotiate with the Union, or not. If he can get more productive labor elsewhere, he has every right to do so. You would respond by trying to shut him down, like a crazy ex wife or something.

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

There is NO SUCH THING as a Union shop. Unless the UNION OWNS THE SHOP.. The Union contracts labor for a specific amount of time. THEY DONT OWN a thing other than thier own labor. GET IT?

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

FWIW I am very familiar with Blair Mountain. I dont see what it has to do with today, but it is a very interesting story.

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

You see freedom of thought and merit based promotion, threaten the Union model. Folk like MUNSTER cannot make it unless they band together in a seniority based system. You dont have to be worth a damn, but if you been worthless for more years than the other guy, you get the prefered job or shift etc. To have someone among them that worked harder, and was rewared for MERIT (GASP) would upset the little Ponsie system they try to hold on to through violence if needed.

Posted 443 days ago.

Tiredofit

All you need to know about Socialists like MUNSTER is this. I support his right to organize and to be in any Union he chooses. HE HOWEVER does not support my right NOT to be part of a Union. NOW WHO IS ABOUT FREEDOM HERE????

Posted 443 days ago.

luvthesouth

good afternoon munster my friend. it actually doesn't matter how you were treated. what you are inferring to sounds a bit like vigilante justice and that is nowhere near legal. your desciption of the company screwing you and knowing full well what they are doing sounds a bit like a bitter future ex-wife or lover. even then you could not get away with doing to them what a union does to a company. at least not without a good lawyer or sympathetic judge!

Posted 443 days ago.

luvthesouth

sorry about the spelling errors munster...but you know sometimes the fingers do not do as they should. i hope you and mod have a great evening...gotta run.

Posted 444 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, the predominate action i was referring to was the protesting, blocking of facility access and harrassment of replacement workers. in addition i might add destruction of property and interuption of commerce. all of this would not happen if the unions just followed their legal remedy. i know protesting is leagl with some limitations. but i think you nare smart enough to know what i mean. if not... then i will explain.

Posted 444 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation, with all due respect...we must face the fact that everyone is replaceable. as much as we think we are unique in job performance, there is someone ready to take our place. should you or anyone die or retire, the company in most cacses does not pack up shop and shut down. they simply find someone else. with that said i have no direct experience in your field but understand that there are others that do and are willing to take your place.

Posted 444 days ago.

moderation

Good Sunday morning, lts- I must ask what experience you may have obtained,that allows you more than an opinion, as it applies to the processes of creating metal alloys in furnaces, such as those at eramet ? I know you have sold some 'ram' and some 'clippers', etc. and I do understand the weight of legal contracts, but I also understand that profit is the motivation. I have seen the aftermath of an explosion at that facility.

Posted 444 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation, i understand your point. however, i don't think the safety concern of replacement workers is high on the list. the claim of questionable character is an interesting one. with all of the skilled unemployed in many areas, finding trainable replacement workers is not all that difficult. while i am sure that there are many fine highly-skilled workers in a union, membership within one does not always guarantee you have the most qualified or best character. personally i think it is just an employee that faces the realization that when their services are no longer needed, separation anxiety sets in. just like a man or women that will not let go of a spouse or girlfriend. sometimes the bar has to close and you have got to go.

Posted 445 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, it is good that your received your unemployment. if your contract had expired and you continued or wanted to work under it, does the compamny not have the right to tell you that you are not welcome on its property? the lone exception would be any clause in the previous contract that allowed you to continue working while negotiations were on-going. other than that, they should have the right to tell you to not come on their property and to hit the road. like i posted before, labor unions work under a legal contract. that contract, if broken by either side, should be handled in a legal arena such as a courtroom or mediation and not by the measures your law-abiding members predominatly use.

Posted 445 days ago.

moderation

hey munster- who is the home boy?!

Posted 445 days ago.

moderation

lts said-"munster, the company is now called AFIMAC. i found them through google. after reading a little about them, it would seem to me that if the unions settled their disputes strictly by legal means, there would not be a necessity for a strike protection service. actually, what you are complaining about is the company protecting themselves, their "replacement" workers and business interests from potential "former" employees exacting their own remedy". I too find manning the replacement worker positions with guestionable character, and also I will add, skills. I have worked in that facility numerous times, on many projects, in the past. One inexperienced move can kill many people, and that is an issue all should consider.

Posted 445 days ago.

moderation

lts-Re:you know mod, in as much as it would make companies more profitable. Kinda like the inter- marriages between governments " back(waay)in the day",with a no divorce clause.

Posted 445 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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