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26 days ago.
by Ohwiseone
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What happened to the "Union Influence in Politics" topic?

Even though I initiated it as the debut topic in the Times forums, I'm happy to realize it has been deleted. It died an ugly death long ago, and should have been executed long before it was. I'm curious though... Why? I am unaware of the travesty that occurred that was sufficiently heinous to warrant it's deletion... As compared to the tripe on ALL the other threads that is evident on a daily basis.

 
 

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luvthesouth

sorry about the spelling errors munster...but you know sometimes the fingers do not do as they should. i hope you and mod have a great evening...gotta run.

Posted 950 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, the predominate action i was referring to was the protesting, blocking of facility access and harrassment of replacement workers. in addition i might add destruction of property and interuption of commerce. all of this would not happen if the unions just followed their legal remedy. i know protesting is leagl with some limitations. but i think you nare smart enough to know what i mean. if not... then i will explain.

Posted 950 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation, with all due respect...we must face the fact that everyone is replaceable. as much as we think we are unique in job performance, there is someone ready to take our place. should you or anyone die or retire, the company in most cacses does not pack up shop and shut down. they simply find someone else. with that said i have no direct experience in your field but understand that there are others that do and are willing to take your place.

Posted 950 days ago.

moderation

Good Sunday morning, lts- I must ask what experience you may have obtained,that allows you more than an opinion, as it applies to the processes of creating metal alloys in furnaces, such as those at eramet ? I know you have sold some 'ram' and some 'clippers', etc. and I do understand the weight of legal contracts, but I also understand that profit is the motivation. I have seen the aftermath of an explosion at that facility.

Posted 950 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation, i understand your point. however, i don't think the safety concern of replacement workers is high on the list. the claim of questionable character is an interesting one. with all of the skilled unemployed in many areas, finding trainable replacement workers is not all that difficult. while i am sure that there are many fine highly-skilled workers in a union, membership within one does not always guarantee you have the most qualified or best character. personally i think it is just an employee that faces the realization that when their services are no longer needed, separation anxiety sets in. just like a man or women that will not let go of a spouse or girlfriend. sometimes the bar has to close and you have got to go.

Posted 951 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, it is good that your received your unemployment. if your contract had expired and you continued or wanted to work under it, does the compamny not have the right to tell you that you are not welcome on its property? the lone exception would be any clause in the previous contract that allowed you to continue working while negotiations were on-going. other than that, they should have the right to tell you to not come on their property and to hit the road. like i posted before, labor unions work under a legal contract. that contract, if broken by either side, should be handled in a legal arena such as a courtroom or mediation and not by the measures your law-abiding members predominatly use.

Posted 951 days ago.

moderation

hey munster- who is the home boy?!

Posted 951 days ago.

moderation

lts said-"munster, the company is now called AFIMAC. i found them through google. after reading a little about them, it would seem to me that if the unions settled their disputes strictly by legal means, there would not be a necessity for a strike protection service. actually, what you are complaining about is the company protecting themselves, their "replacement" workers and business interests from potential "former" employees exacting their own remedy". I too find manning the replacement worker positions with guestionable character, and also I will add, skills. I have worked in that facility numerous times, on many projects, in the past. One inexperienced move can kill many people, and that is an issue all should consider.

Posted 951 days ago.

moderation

lts-Re:you know mod, in as much as it would make companies more profitable. Kinda like the inter- marriages between governments " back(waay)in the day",with a no divorce clause.

Posted 951 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, the company is now called AFIMAC. i found them through google. after reading a little about them, it would seem to me that if the unions settled their disputes strictly by legal means, there would not be a necessity for a strike protection service. actually, what you are complaining about is the company protecting themselves, their "replacement" workers and business interests from potential "former" employees exacting their own remedy.

Posted 952 days ago.

BeRight

The one eramet used was from youngstown : What are you talking about? Union busting?

Posted 952 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, i must plead ignorance in regards to your example. i am not all that familiar with the various businesses in your area. in this instance i will just have to take your word for it. if anyone has knowledge to the contrary...please post it. thank you for your response munster.

Posted 952 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster...when was the corporate goon squad last sent out against the unions in recent times. think of another excuse for the recent violence and unnecessary social discourse.

Posted 952 days ago.

moderation

Yes! We need a majic wand, ha.

Posted 953 days ago.

luvthesouth

sounds pretty toasty to me. well my friend, my wife will be returning from a fundraiser soon so i have to clean up the mess i made in the kitchen. its never good when i am left to forage for myself!!! good night and chat soon.

Posted 953 days ago.

moderation

Yes,there is a constant chill to the air. I have well gas and plenty of firewood to keep things comfy here , lts. two x six inch insulated walls and brick exterior make a very heat efficient nest.

Posted 953 days ago.

luvthesouth

you know mod, in as much as it would make companies more profitable, i have to believe that many of the agreements were to transfer wealth to other economies as well as strengthen relationships between our countries and expand trade that utilized less labor in our country such as technology and information. the easy scapegoat is to demonize the evil corporations. but take a moment and look at the outsourcing that is being expanded by GE through this administration. i am not saying that this administration is any more "evil" than the last...i am simply stating that nothing has changed to stem the flow of jobs even when it is obvious that something quick and positive must be done.

Posted 953 days ago.

moderation

Hi captain, err, I mean munster.

Posted 953 days ago.

moderation

when jobs started leaving us for foreign labor markets, there were no acceptable concessions that could be made to retain said jobs.

Posted 953 days ago.

luvthesouth

munster, are you and the family doing ok? sometimes in the heat of discussions i forget to say hi and ask how you are.

Posted 953 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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