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3 days ago.
by Ohwiseone
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Religious Ignorance in the US

Recently we have had letters sent to the editor that have used incorrect quotes from our Founding Fathers on the subject of religion. Are people so lazy that they cannot see that the quotea are wrong? The USA was NOT founded on Christianity; Christians merely make up the majority of the population.

 
 

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absolem

Stillhere...one may confuse the sharing of known information verses claiming to provide the final word. I don't think we have professed to have the final say on the subject. But the discussion should share the purpose of gaining as much insight of the subject as possible without stripping away one of the attributes that sets this organization from the rest.

Posted 5 days ago.

Stillhere

The Masonic Lodge is not a secret organization, rather its an organization with secrets, many poorly kept. My observation only serves to illustrate that so many people think they know so much about it and still think they are secretive, conundrum indeed.

Posted 5 days ago.

moderation

By the way,absolem, how's your golf game?

Posted 5 days ago.

moderation

There are lodges all over the world.

Posted 5 days ago.

absolem

Stillhere...good late afternoon to you. Unfortunately in lieu of going through the rigors of joining..much less advancing, most like me are left to glean information from their own statements of mission and purpose. This would be so much easier if our tight lipped associates would share their insight...but if they did, it would not be a secret anymore. Alas the conundrum of the topic.

Posted 5 days ago.

Teapartier

It appears to me some overthinking is going on here. And must not blame the actions of some mens good intentions on God.

Posted 5 days ago.

Stillhere

Always cracks me up that people who have never sat for a second in a blue lodge claim to know so much about a supposedly secret organization

Posted 5 days ago.

Stillhere

You can read on the Internet or you can sit in the lodge, which have you done?

Posted 5 days ago.

NasCarNut

One of the tenets of the Masonic Fraternity is that its members are free to express their beliefs in the religion of their choice. 

However, it is also a condition of membership that each recognize that the wonders of the universe are not here as a result of our doing, but rather as a result of a Supreme Being, who brings order and purpose to our existence. Masons use the term "Grand Architect of the Universe" as a generic and symbolic representation of each member's own Supreme Being." 

Posted 5 days ago.

NasCarNut

Freemasonry requires a belief in the existence of A Supreme Being, but does not define that being.

The Holy Bible however, reveals that the truth is somewhat different. The Bible does state that there is only one God:

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.                                                               (Isaiah 45:5)

Posted 5 days ago.

absolem

The Supreme Being. Masons believe that there is one God and that people employ many different ways to seek, and to express what they know of God. Masonry primarily uses the appellation, "Grand Architect of the Universe," and other non-sectarian titles, to address the Deity. In this way, persons of different faiths may join together in prayer, concentrating on God, rather than differences among themselves. Masonry believes in religious freedom and that the relationship between the individual and God is personal, private, and sacred....as found on the Masonic Service Association of North America website. NCN...i think "Grand Architect of the Universe" is a pretty hefty name for a deity...don't you think?

Posted 5 days ago.

absolem

good afternoon OWO...haven't seen you in a bit. i hope all is well with you. is anyone really arguing that religous persecution is not one of the reasons for the founders to have fled their homeland? although many fled because of their religion, many others fled for the commercial possibilities as well.

Posted 5 days ago.

absolem

"Long live George Wash­ington, President of the United States!"...as found on the St. Johns Lodge No.1..Anient York Masons..warranted December 27 1757

Posted 5 days ago.

absolem

Everything was ready for the administration of the oath of office to the President of the new government, when it was discovered that a Holy Bible had not been provided on which the President-Elect could swear allegiance to the Constitution. Jacob Morton, who was Marshal of the parade, and at that time Master of St. John's Lodge, was standing close by. Seeing the dilemma they were in, he remarked that he could get the altar Bible of St. John's Lodge, which met at the Old Coffee House on the corner of Water and Wall Streets. Chancellor Livingston begged him to do so. The Bible was brought, and the ceremony proceeded. The stately Washington took his oath with his right hand resting on the Bible which had been opened to Genesis XLIX and L. His head bowed in a reverential manner, he added in a clear and distinct voice, "I swear, so help me God!" then bowing over this magnificent Bible, he reverently kissed it, whereupon Chancellor Livingston exclaimed in a ringing voice, "L

Posted 5 days ago.

Ohwiseone

What these righties here fail to get is why people came here to begin with ! I'll give you a hint !( Religious freedom) !

Posted 5 days ago.

Stillhere

Not all true

Posted 5 days ago.

NasCarNut

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor a substitute for religion. There is no separate 'Masonic deity,' and there is no separate proper name for a deity in Freemasonry."

Posted 5 days ago.

absolem

Well fellas...it's shower time and then off to the races again. Enjoy your day.

Posted 5 days ago.

absolem

I will agree that experience can be the best teacher. The problem is, in my mind, once one gets entrenched in such an endeavor it would take away from ones impartiality of the process much less what the end game may be. Sort of like "you have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill" scenario.

Posted 5 days ago.

absolem

Well good morning stillhere. The masons are a mysterious lot aren't they. My friend is a 3rd degree and has maxed out within his lodge. He has not revealed much that would be considered shocking. There is quite a bit of information out there that is both true and false as well as somewhere in between. It is probably beneficial in attracting interest in joining by many. Frankly if I cared to spend the time with a social organization it would be the local VFW. I just can't pass up bingo Wednesdays.

Posted 5 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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