What has been the impact of the march on the nation? Looking back, what criticisms or praise can be gleaned?
That was the reply I hoped beright would offer, Kendall.The black community needs to be viewed in totality.
I doubt he did look at the civil rights type of problems facing African-Americans being their fault. However, and this is a guess, I feel he would be on the side that would expect the African American community to lift itself up to a higher standard. From my understanding, Dr. King expected the people in the movement to try and keep above reproach. I can't see him being all for the modern "gangsta" lifestyle within the culture.
Mod: I don't think this is what MLK meant when he said "I have a dream".
He said “One hundred years later, the N e g r o is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land” or in their neighborhoods in Chicago. When he made his speech I do not think he thought his own people were the problem.
He said “One hundred years later, the ***** is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land” or in their neighbors in Chicago.
beright-what exactly are you saying when you point out the escorting of children within the hood ?
I see in Chicago that Black Children had to be escorted through Black Neighborhoods on their way to school because authorities were concerned about what Black Gangs would do when these Black children crossed over Black Gangs territory lines. Where are Jesse and the Rev on that one? What would MLK think? 50 year anniversary? Black are more in danger of being harmed by one of their own than by anyone else.
fred, as you get older you may appreciate a good "stop-and-frisk"! most police forces have some pretty nice lookin' lady cops.
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@BeRight- While I doubt any of the speakers at the March would approve in any way to those various issues, those issues simply did not exist in 1963. At least not to the degree we see today.
If you want to see a more modern and usually well respected African-American talking about the topics you raise, reference Bill Cosby 17 May 2004 (***********americanrhetoric****/speeches/billcosbypoundcakespeech.htm)
@oneill- It should be noted though that after Malcolm made the Hajj to Mecca, he did become a little more open to the idea of racial equality. Seeing all the various shades and backgrounds of his fellow Muslims seemed to have an effect on him.
Did any of the speeches at the 50th rally on Washington talk about rappers corrupting the minds of their children, or out of wedlock births, high drop-out rates, black on black crimes, street gangs and kids who thing pants bellow their buttocks is a main stream look?
While Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Eisenhower were great Republican leaders, the current crowd in Congress ARE "obstructionists". Some of them - i.e. Rand Paul - actually admit it proudly ...
The Greek is fantasizing again! I've never complained about "all" MOV residents (in fact, most are pretty nice folks), just some of them! The problem, it seems, is that the Greek thinks that his little crowd of throwbacks represent all MOV citizens. They don't! Some of my best friends are conservatives - REAL ones, not the posers in the tea-party faction ... By the way, it's spelled A-R-Y-A-N & (despite the misconceptions of some misguided Teutonic types in the early 20th century) the Aryans were a linguistic group that appeared in the Indus Valley sometime around the second-century B.C.E. ...
Kendall. Take the time to go back over and read all of Oneills post. Over the last year or so, and you will see how he blames everything on the "obstructing republicans"... Everything !!! AND he is profiling the Mid Ohio Valley citizens as being a bunch of sub humans because they do not agree with his opinions. Oneill, as I said, you can refrain from twisting my words about so they look and sound like something (Aryian). All I am saying is you are full of about as much hate for the republicans as the KKK is against non whites. That is a fact !!
@Kendall - I just noticed that (on today's Times poll comment line) the Greek implied that rightwing Republicans are a "race" and that, since I oppose them, I must be a "racist! Comedy Central couldn't make up stuff like that! Greek must be referring to that "Aryan" stuff that der Shickelgrouber once ranted about ... If I recall correctly, Malcolm X - being influenced by folks like Marcus Garvey and Elijah Muhammed - was a black-separatist ... Dr. King - being influenced by Ghandi - wasn't!
A good example of "gradualism" run amok would be the French Revolution ... Don't have time to get into it right now. I'm doing a research project on the "Dark Ages" and I was hoping the Greek would stop by to give me insight into that kind of thinking!
Malcolm X was mostly a Marxist. King (despite what his rightwing critics said at the time) wasn't! He was a "Christian reformer". Reform wasn't happening quickly enough for Malcolm, but he was still an effective leader ... Both he and Dr. King became successful martyrs to their respective causes ... I hear there is no love lost between Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (or between Jackson and Obama for that matter), but I also hear that Eric Cantor would like Boehner's job. Cruz hates McConnell and wants to be President and/or Joe McCarthy reincarnated ... Aren't we glad we don't get into those kind of power-games?
@Kendall - Good point about the difference between real conservatives and the whack-jobs like Cruz, Bachmann, and some around here that I could name ... "Gradualism" hits all movements sooner or later. Right now, it's beginning to hit the tea partiers who are divided between the "true believers" who want to abolish all government and those who just want to own it again ... THAT might be why some who show up here are beginning to lose it big time and can no longer communicate like human-beings, but can only grunt and beat their chests like forlorn gorillas!
@thegreek- Keep in mind that Fred didn't say "all" the Right but more in line with the fringe right. I've always looked at the Right(Conservative) as having the duty of preserving that which is good for the nation while the Left(Liberal) is suppose to introduce positive change for the nation. Sadly though, there are aspects of the Right that want to preserve many negative qualities of our nation.
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