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394 days ago.
by BeRight
Kendall78
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Arizona's SB1062 Legal or Illegal?

The state legislature of AZ passed this and it awaits for Gov. Brewer to either sign it into law or Veto it. Basically put, it allows owners of businesses to refuse to serve people if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. So, is it a good bill? Bad? Legal or illegal?

 
 

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moderation

We were created in His image ,lts.

Posted 397 days ago.

exofDevola

I say good posts moderation, Kendal,oneil ask not &' the Greek.mif people want to practice religion that sys we are the best( or think we are and we know we are the chosen and you aren't it ) in their own house worship, fine, then that's a church and I'm not going there. It's just too westboro baptist faux church to me. But hey that's what they call a church, not the public sector. The difference is the minute you start saying I believe you are gay, so you can't come in, it's against my beliefs, then have your little store on the grounds of your fake church, so then your followers can go there. When people say this my little Christian store , and its about my beliefs , not about discrimination of gay people. Well sorry about that, it is discrimination, and you are practicing it. Evidently in Arizona , that thinking is fine and dandy. They believe in one religion, theirs & whoever they say can they need to discriminate in the spirit of The Lord. Just a little hypocritical, y

Posted 397 days ago.

luvthesouth

....i also struggle with punctuation and spelling from time to time. 8-)

Posted 397 days ago.

luvthesouth

one more thing, i struggle with and that is being quicker with forgiveness than i am with condemnation. so forgive me one and all if i have upset anyone with my beliefs or thoughts. i respect you and your right to believe as you wish.

Posted 397 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot...in addition, we all like to turn away from things that make us look bad. Christians are still human and have faults... as well as ...gasp...make mistakes. 8-)

Posted 397 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot..i do think it is odd when non-believers suddenly believe that verses somehow have relevence only when pointing fault in a Christian.

Posted 397 days ago.

luvthesouth

written by Paul. however, we must understand that the flip-side of any coin may not be as palatable when speaking on the same subject. unfortunately to some, the Bible which is the Gods Guidebook for most Christians is not all love and rainbows...there are do's and don't do's in there. if you choose to overlook the don't do's then you might as well just write your own script for life because apparently Jesus' isn't for you. btw...good late afternoon to you.

Posted 397 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation, i believe it was about protecting against the government establishing a mandated religion. shall we remove all parallels between any law of any church and the laws instituted by government in the name of separation? in addition, many folks do cherry-pick which parts of the bible and specifically the teachings of Jesus when convenient to support any humanistic ideal but reject the same when it goes against popular opinion. in many instances what you label as hate is merely not wanting to be forced to either condone or contribute to that which is contrary to one's religious belief. as much grief as christianity gets for it's teaching of one Spirit God and one-way, it is puzzling that the other major religion teaches basically the same thing with nary an attack by the sympathizers. this potential law is silly IMO in that providing basic services such as food, clothing, medical....etc. does not constitute a violation of my understanding of the teaching of Jesus or the letters

Posted 397 days ago.

moderation

Isn't this crap why our founding fathers expressed the issue of the necessity of a complete separation of church and state. I believe it is merely a level of hate. Is this the tolerance taught by Jesus? I mean, those Arizona legislators aren't a bunch Buddhists, or Muslims, or Hindu's, they are alleged Christians.

Posted 397 days ago.

moderation

caspi-where is the legislation that gives capitalism the right to discriminate in that manner?

Posted 397 days ago.

Kendall78

There is also the "big picture" to all this. Many people keep looking at this from the small business pov. But what if a large company like Microsoft would ever decide not to serve gay people or some other group because of a religious view?

Not to mention, who is to decide if someone is gay anyway? If some woman comes in with extremely short hair or a guy comes in wearing pink, will a store owner be able to make an independent, "hey you're gay..get out" and not get into trouble?

Personally, if this law would pass and there would be stores dumb enough to use it...I hope hundreds of people go to those stores wearing the most stereotype "gay" clothing and just hang out. A modern day version of a sit in.

Posted 397 days ago.

exofDevola

Also if they may think you are gay ( against their eligible tolerance ) but you aren't or their religion dies not tolerate people with blue hair , or mixed race couples or people that have rainbow shirt on/ what is exactly are you against / pretty soon there won't be anybody left that passes yr true holiness test. Isn't that how hitler started ? When do u get to stand up and say this is not right ? Oh right it's religious discrimination therefore that's okay.

Posted 397 days ago.

Caspiansynn

Kendall78, I believe that store owner has every right to do as they wish. Is it not wrong to force someone to provide services against their will? Isn't that called slavery? BTW, I'm not a supporter of this bill but I just don't see the discrimination in it, IMO it looks more like its about religious freedom than anything else.

Posted 397 days ago.

Kendall78

Imagine the reaction if a store, owned and operated by a Muslim, told a Christian couple to leave because their behavior offended them at a religious level. Would all the supporters of this Bill say that is right?

Posted 397 days ago.

exofDevola

That would be pages 1 and 2

Posted 397 days ago.

Caspiansynn

exofDevola, If you have read the bill, It what part of it would you say the discrimination is?

Posted 397 days ago.

luvthesouth

exofDevola...thank you for your answer.

Posted 397 days ago.

exofDevola

Oh Greek and ask not , I thought you agreed to disagree . Darn. And yes I did read the sb 1062 caspian , sounds worthy of the Westboro baptist church , which likes to hate but call it their religious beliefs.

Posted 397 days ago.

Caspiansynn

exofDevola, Did you actually read the bill yourself or are you relying on what some talking head told you? Although I said I was unlikely to read it, I did. It is 2 pages, large type and very easy to understand compared to some of the drivel that our legislatures have packed into ORC.

Posted 397 days ago.

exofDevola

LTS to be a good Christian you don't feel you are better more holier than your neighbor Jesus who loved all the children of the world was the person who died for the worlds sins /to say I can discrimayr against you because of my religious beliefs is not Christian . And good morning to you also.

Posted 397 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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