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205 days ago.
by BeRight
Kendall78
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Arizona's SB1062 Legal or Illegal?

The state legislature of AZ passed this and it awaits for Gov. Brewer to either sign it into law or Veto it. Basically put, it allows owners of businesses to refuse to serve people if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. So, is it a good bill? Bad? Legal or illegal?

 
 

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luvthesouth

moderation, i believe it was about protecting against the government establishing a mandated religion. shall we remove all parallels between any law of any church and the laws instituted by government in the name of separation? in addition, many folks do cherry-pick which parts of the bible and specifically the teachings of Jesus when convenient to support any humanistic ideal but reject the same when it goes against popular opinion. in many instances what you label as hate is merely not wanting to be forced to either condone or contribute to that which is contrary to one's religious belief. as much grief as christianity gets for it's teaching of one Spirit God and one-way, it is puzzling that the other major religion teaches basically the same thing with nary an attack by the sympathizers. this potential law is silly IMO in that providing basic services such as food, clothing, medical....etc. does not constitute a violation of my understanding of the teaching of Jesus or the letters

Posted 208 days ago.

thegreek

If she is stupid enough to sign it, I predict it will be repealed after there are many fights in restaurants or people simply get up and leave. There was an episode of What Would You Do with John Quinonez (hope I got that right) on this very subject. The other customers gave the father heck for not accepting his gay sons announcement. It almost caused a riot if John hadn't came in !!

Posted 208 days ago.

moderation

Isn't this crap why our founding fathers expressed the issue of the necessity of a complete separation of church and state. I believe it is merely a level of hate. Is this the tolerance taught by Jesus? I mean, those Arizona legislators aren't a bunch Buddhists, or Muslims, or Hindu's, they are alleged Christians.

Posted 208 days ago.

moderation

caspi-where is the legislation that gives capitalism the right to discriminate in that manner?

Posted 208 days ago.

Kendall78

There is also the "big picture" to all this. Many people keep looking at this from the small business pov. But what if a large company like Microsoft would ever decide not to serve gay people or some other group because of a religious view?

Not to mention, who is to decide if someone is gay anyway? If some woman comes in with extremely short hair or a guy comes in wearing pink, will a store owner be able to make an independent, "hey you're gay..get out" and not get into trouble?

Personally, if this law would pass and there would be stores dumb enough to use it...I hope hundreds of people go to those stores wearing the most stereotype "gay" clothing and just hang out. A modern day version of a sit in.

Posted 208 days ago.

exofDevola

Also if they may think you are gay ( against their eligible tolerance ) but you aren't or their religion dies not tolerate people with blue hair , or mixed race couples or people that have rainbow shirt on/ what is exactly are you against / pretty soon there won't be anybody left that passes yr true holiness test. Isn't that how hitler started ? When do u get to stand up and say this is not right ? Oh right it's religious discrimination therefore that's okay.

Posted 208 days ago.

Caspiansynn

Kendall78, I believe that store owner has every right to do as they wish. Is it not wrong to force someone to provide services against their will? Isn't that called slavery? BTW, I'm not a supporter of this bill but I just don't see the discrimination in it, IMO it looks more like its about religious freedom than anything else.

Posted 208 days ago.

Kendall78

Imagine the reaction if a store, owned and operated by a Muslim, told a Christian couple to leave because their behavior offended them at a religious level. Would all the supporters of this Bill say that is right?

Posted 208 days ago.

exofDevola

That would be pages 1 and 2

Posted 208 days ago.

Caspiansynn

exofDevola, If you have read the bill, It what part of it would you say the discrimination is?

Posted 208 days ago.

luvthesouth

exofDevola...thank you for your answer.

Posted 208 days ago.

exofDevola

Oh Greek and ask not , I thought you agreed to disagree . Darn. And yes I did read the sb 1062 caspian , sounds worthy of the Westboro baptist church , which likes to hate but call it their religious beliefs.

Posted 208 days ago.

thegreek

With that I will not spoil everyone elses day by being on here taking jabs from asknot and sparring with him. I apologize to all posters for his behavior and mine if I did anything to incite it. With that. I will see you all later.

Posted 208 days ago.

Caspiansynn

exofDevola, Did you actually read the bill yourself or are you relying on what some talking head told you? Although I said I was unlikely to read it, I did. It is 2 pages, large type and very easy to understand compared to some of the drivel that our legislatures have packed into ORC.

Posted 208 days ago.

thegreek

Did THAT clear it up for you ??

Posted 208 days ago.

thegreek

It wasn't because I was the opposite sex. It was because of my body. THATS why I was embarrassed.!!!

Posted 208 days ago.

thegreek

Must I explain in every detail asknot. I am telling you I had body parts hanging out of my bathing suit do you comprende??. YOU try that out in public. Heck there are women that are embarrassed to wear a bathing suit at the beach. SEE I KNEW YOU WOULD SHRED WHAT I SAID.

Posted 208 days ago.

thegreek

All people being born of Adam are already judged by God to be sinners. The only way to be judged free from that sin is to accept Jesus as your savior and seek his wisdom and trust your every day decision and live works to him even if it doesn't seem to be what the earthly man seeks. It is hard to say what to do to maintain that label cause everyone is different. There appear to be some that say they are Christians but don't appear to be saved. I don't know. I am not someone that should be preaching but just my opinion for asknot to rip up.

Posted 208 days ago.

thegreek

very well said exofdevola.

Posted 208 days ago.

thegreek

I am thinking if thegreek had a restaurant in Az. Thegreek would try to think what would Jesus do. thegreek thinks he would feed them and be nice and loving to them. Thegreek would coach any servers that felt spite towards these people, maybe encourage them to change fields and maybe do a little better job in screening new applicants. There you go asknot, more of my opinion for you to shred into some kind of underlying hate !!

Posted 208 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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