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15 days ago.
by Kendall78
BeRight
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CLEAN... ENERGY

Offshore wind farms from New Jersey to Virginia took a big step closer to reality with the completion of a review that showed the renewable energy source would not cause major environmental damage, officials said today. Wind projects off the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, and New Jersey are being studied. The Mid-Atlantic lease proposal follows the Cape Wind project in Massachusetts that was given the go-ahead in 2010 after 9 years of federal review."No developer should have to wait nine or 10 years," for approval, Salazar said. The response from the developers was "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

 
 

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moderation

What are we transferring lts ?

Posted 367 days ago.

BeRight

Renewable energy projects accounted for nearly 50 percent of new capacity in the U.S. in 2012, according to a report released this week from Ernst & Young LLP. That includes a record 13,124 MW of wind power capacity and 3,313 MW of solar power capacity. ………………to your point Greek the report continues…………..The report also ranked California as the top state in the index for both all renewables and solar power, with Texas leading the states in the long-term wind power index.

I don’t think that will help the folks in Western Pa.

Posted 367 days ago.

luvthesouth

2.31' of water in a column = 1 psi positive head pressure.

Posted 368 days ago.

thegreek

Yes. Think of a power grid like a public water system. If you do not have enough head pressure in the storage tank pumped up there by the water pumps, you will not have very much pressure in the line as people start turning on spigots. You cannot push electricity very far on a power line due to the capacatance load on the wires. (think of it as friction) That is why you have to have power plants spaced pretty regularly on the grid. For that reason,a person cannot buy power from Calif. here in Ohio. In conclusion, there are not enough non-coal fueled power plants in service yet to support everyones electrical needs across the grid. As in the Affordable Care Act, the dictator in chief has gotten the cart ahead of the horse to make a name for himself at the expense of us citizens.

Posted 368 days ago.

BeRight

Let me try and help you understand. The tree hugger in chief is getting his way on killing coal so good for him. But he needs to step it up on getting the grid up to speed so the tree huggers can move clean generation power to area's where plants are closing. He needs to be a able to chew gum and walk at the same time. He has yet to prove he can do that.

Posted 368 days ago.

moderation

beright-You said"The plant closing program belongs to the treehugger in chief". It seems you have some confusion about what you say. But, I will try to keep up.

Posted 368 days ago.

BeRight

Mod: your six days late into this thread. This is a Grid conversation and what happens when you close dirty plants and try to move power from clean producers but have a week grid. See the post from six days ago. The grid is having a challenge in supporting the agenda. Long range goals and short sighted planning by the administration.

Posted 368 days ago.

BeRight

OK, that horse is dead. Good coversation, however. Thanks Bob.

Posted 368 days ago.

BobDahler

I should have said the FEDERAL Government's control.

Posted 368 days ago.

BobDahler

BeRight, I'll not argue about your opinion related to what you think the President thinks... However, if your suggestion is that the grid should be nationalized, I'm all for it.

But that is not the case in the here and now. Multiply 50 (the State regs.) by the number of providers involved in the transmission of electricity, and one comes up with a truly unmanageable cluster of problems... But hey, that's free enterprise, right? Point being: this situation is under the providers' control, not the Government, irrespective of who is in the office of President at any given time.

Posted 368 days ago.

moderation

Those coal burners have been dodging the axe for a coupla decades.do you think acid rain is a figment of someone's imagination, beright? How about the arsenic and mercury and lead released from burning coal?

Posted 369 days ago.

scrappile

Who is "investing" in this grid, the profit of the power companies, or do you want the govt. to do it, profit is not a bad word, but to anarcho-capitalist, 'business expenses", is right up there with blasphemery....

Posted 369 days ago.

BeRight

Having base load generation capacity is useless if the grid cannot support its movement. The current president, when a candidate, said in so many words, he was out to kill coal fired power generation. He is using the EPA to fulfill this promise. Because of these decisions, the grid is stressed. If the grid can’t support his goals, who’s problem is it again? The Power Companies sure don’t have the same plan as he does. The plant closing program belongs to the treehugger in chief. I think he should step up to the plate and fix the grid to support his plans.

Posted 369 days ago.

BobDahler

I WAS referring to "priorities and long range plans".

The power distribution (or grid) situation that is of concern to you now, is essentially out of the purview of the EPA and the President. Outrage about lack of capacity would be more appropriately directed toward the energy producers, not your "tree huggers".

Posted 369 days ago.

BeRight

Bob, you should re-read my post and not read into my post. My post was not about current air quality is was about priorities and long range plans.

This administration has done nothing to improve the grid even though it is the weakest link in long range planning of energy distribution.

They are focused on "closings" but not focused on supplying my energy needs.

Between 2005 and 2009, there were 349 power outages in the United States that affected at least 50,000 people. That’s up from just 149 outages between 2000 and 2004.

Also note that the outage figures do not include blackouts after major storms — such as the 8.5 million who lost power after Hurricane Sandy.

The old saying of "Power to the People" is being lost on the people who are now in charge since they work on a set of different priorities which does not include the people's energy needs.

Posted 371 days ago.

BobDahler

Given the choice between inhaling air that one could once nearly slice with a knife, versus the (relatively) clean air that we enjoy today, I'll take the "tree hugging moron's" "expert" version of what is more preferable, thank you.

Apparently neither one of you are old enough to remember, or else you conveniently choose to forget what our air quality in this area was like in the early '70s.

It didn't get better because people like you habitually stuck their heads in the sand.

One can now drive between Charleston WV, through Pittsburgh PA, and into Cleveland OH without making pit stops along the way to scrape the fallout off their windshields, so they could see the road... ON A CLEAR DAY.

There are indeed, idiots involved in this issue. But they aren't hugging trees.

Posted 371 days ago.

thegreek

Well said BeRight. A case of sticking their noses in something they know little about but think they are experts.

Posted 374 days ago.

BeRight

Operators of the US power grid say that FirstEnergy may not be able to shut down two coal-fired power plants in Pennsylvania due to reliability issues, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Operators said in the article that necessary upgrades to the transmission infrastructure to help compensate for the lost generation from the Hatfield’s Ferry and Mitchell power plants will not be ready by the proposed closure date of October 9. Together, both plants generate 2,080 MW of electricity. Whoops. To translate this for tree hugger morons, if you intend to move electricity from clean generating sources from what you consider dirty generation, you need to upgrade the grid. You are so busy closing plants and building windmills that you forgot you still need to move the power to where you need it via the grid Perfect example of unintended consequences.

Posted 374 days ago.

BobDahler

"BUMP" Because it was more interesting than the recent dull blather here.

Posted 388 days ago.

thegreek

BeRight. Thanks for posting that. I have said we have been fracking for almost 100 years with no known problems. People just wanna complain. If some of them had their way. The mid Ohio valley would be a desolate wasteland. BUT IT WOULD BE CLEAN in their eyes !!!

Posted 452 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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